Hi everybody...

[Daniel]

Welcome aboard and I should say I don't hate any designers! I just chose to design my own stuff because so many designers can't do basic maths and seem to think that fitters can work miracles like fitting 2 600 units into a 1150 space.

Welcome Mr.G ...... we need more designers here

Daniel, we're all designers on here, it's just some of us are fitters too. That said I always look enviously at your completed jobs as the design element is always phenomenal. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels like a neanderthal when I compare my designs to yours. Mine all fit extremely well and are very practical but I still aspire to that "je ne sais quoi" that is missing in my designs that you clearly have.

Thanks Andy nice of you to say so.

I didn't mean anything by that comment at all, I know a lot of you guys design your own stuff and more power to you as there is nothing better than fitting kitchens to fully understand kitchen design - which is why I used to help my fitters in the early days.

I just wanted to make the point that I think all forums benefit from a wider audience sometimes, so its good to have designers, fitters, designer/fitters, neanderthals ... etc ... to all join in