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RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - chippy1970 - 17-07-2015

Those shoes are a nice touch are they loose or do you have to screw up into the panels from below before fitting ?


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - snezza - 17-07-2015

(17-07-2015, 03:33 PM)chippy1970 Wrote: Those shoes are a nice touch are they loose or do you have to screw up into the panels from below before fitting ?

The 50mm wide shoe adds about 10mm to the height of the panel.
A standard height end panel would normally be 870mm high but these panels come in at 860mm high + the 10mm shoe to give you 870mm.

They are just held in place with a bead of silicone as they are purely a finishing trim and do not carry any weight as the panels are floating.... I hope that makes sense!!!!!

However, there is no reason why they couldn't be screwed to the bottom prior to fitting the panel. The panels would need to be cut and trimmed to the correct height AFTER the floor covering has been laid to ensure that everything is at the right height. For example, If the floor was Tiled prior to fitting the kitchen, then this could all be done at the same time as fitting the units, but this job had Karndean laid after I fitted the kitchen, so I fitted the panels first and just slid the trim shoes in afterwards.

(17-07-2015, 12:38 AM)Colour Republic Wrote: Blimey! For some reason after reading the Corian threads I somehow didn't expect it to be going in it to such a modern kitchen. Not sure why? I just assumed it was an older client and a more traditional design.

Hang on a minute! didn't you have some curves going on in the corian thread? Are they in the utility or am I imagining it?

The join in the island isn't nearly as visible as it was before. I had to blow the pictures up and really look for it before I spotted itThumbUp

From the initial small pictures I didn't think I'd like the stainless shoe the end panels sit in but again blowing up the pictures I can see that it actually adds a really nice little touch to that style of kitchen.

Overall it's visually very impressive and looks expensive! It screams Essex styling but that is maybe more to do with the cool blue lighting more than anything.

I have a few questions though...

1) The wood veneer shelves. You say you had to make them on site. Is that because you wanted to make them because dimensions might of changed during the fit? Or do Stormer not make shelving units to custom sizes if you produced drawings for them?

Very nice btw, I think that element of wood in the kitchen to soften it ever so slightly and add contrast and interest.

2) The under cupboard lights. Were they factory fitted by Stormer? I've often thought about fitting slim line LED's on site and cross drilling the carcase to hide the cables but it's a tricky job doing it free hand, not to mention sourcing a long wood bit. One little slip or get the wrong angle and you're coming through the face of the unit. Much safer to get factory fitted if poss.

3) The fly over shelf above the sink/wall opening. How did you fix that? It's quite a run and I don't see any sag, so I assume it has some sort of floating shelf fixings in it at some point?


BUT..... always has to be!

Firstly, the positioning of the American fridge freezer is very poor. It's not even in the kitchen to start with. I can only assume this was an after thought!TongueWiggle

I can see you've had to have a filler panel to the left of the oven tower due the pipes running down from upstairs. I think personally I would have made the r/h side decor panel athracite to bulk out the tower unit and made it look more 'solid' but I suppose that's a personal preference.

Again personal preference but I think I would have had the three down lighters in the flying shelf centralised over the opening rather than centralised over the total length of the shelf. It's one of those design elements I know I would ponder which one would be right and flit between the 2. If I knew exactly where the opening would fall and wasn't likely to move between ordering the kitchen and install, then i'd go for over the opening. If the size and position of the opening was down to a third party, then i'd play it safe and go for lights centralised in the shelf length (Assuming the lights were factory fitted like I think they were?)

Lastly... Do you know where I can get any compact Siemens appliances at short notice? I see you have one and word on the street is they're rare as hens teeth

All the cabinet lighting and shelf lighting was done on-site by me.....!!!! The cost of having the underlights recessed into the units/shelf in Germany is VERY expensive, so I made my own jig ages ago and rout the recess/drill the cable hole as I am fitting the wall units.

The client chose the colours and which panels/doors she wanted Black or White.

The Siemens compact appliances are rare at the moment, but only certain models according to Designer Paddy......!!!!! Send me a PM, and I'll see what I can do Rob.ThumbUp

The American Fridge/Freezer is going in the Utility room.
It is NOT going to live in the room behind the Kitchen sink...!!!!!! ROFL30h


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - bitzz - 17-07-2015

Really nice looking kitchen, out of curiosity how long did it take you to do from start to finish?


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - snezza - 17-07-2015

(17-07-2015, 09:01 PM)bitzz Wrote: Really nice looking kitchen, out of curiosity how long did it take you to do from start to finish?

All in, including the Corian fabrication in my workshop, about 18 days, if I remember correctly.

10 days of which were fabricating the Corian. There is a Utility room included in that timescale as well which also has a Corian worktop but it had to be done at a different time to the kitchen to ensure the Clints still had the use of a sink, W/M etc.

The decorator was in last week along with the guys who laid the Karndean flooring.

I got back in there on Wednesday to get the plinths fitted along with the Plinth lighting and the lighting in the shelf above the sink.


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - Colour Republic - 18-07-2015

Snezza do you remember the name of the Kardean? I'm thinking that one would go quite well with a kitchen i've got coming upThumbUp


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - snezza - 18-07-2015

(18-07-2015, 10:50 AM)Colour Republic Wrote: Snezza do you remember the name of the Kardean? I'm thinking that one would go quite well with a kitchen i've got coming upThumbUp

OOHHH..!!! Now you're asking mate....!!!

We didn't get involved with the flooring, it was all arranged by the Client,.......but Designer Paddy dug out an empty pack from the skip the other day coz he wanted to know what it was called as well.

IIRC, I think he said it was called "Carbo" or "Carba" , something like that. Some sort of derivative of Carbon I would assume...?????

Its not really Black as such, and has quite a woodgrain/sawn texture to it, if that makes sense.

Sorry I cant be more specific Rob.

EDIT.
Just found it mate, here's a link!!

http://www.flooringsupplies.co.uk/vinyl/10247/karndean_opus_carbo_wp318_vinyl_flooring?adtype=pla&keyword=&gclid=CMLovsO15MYCFY_JtAodkCIIRw


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - Colour Republic - 18-07-2015

Cheers mate

I thought it would be a very bark brown to anthracite colour so sounds perfect, will get a sample on orderCheers


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - stejoke - 18-07-2015

Very impressive Snezza

Got two questions for you, one of which you may not answer!

- I fit Mistral - how did you find the fit of Corian v Mistral, and how would you compare the finished products?

- and here we go... how much would something like that cost, and how long would it take you to fit

Happy

Sorry - you already answered fit question!


RE: German Kitchen with Corian & Lustrolite - snezza - 18-07-2015

(18-07-2015, 11:37 AM)stejoke Wrote: Very impressive Snezza

Got two questions for you, one of which you may not answer!

- I fit Mistral - how did you find the fit of Corian v Mistral, and how would you compare the finished products?

- and here we go... how much would something like that cost, and how long would it take you to fit


Happy

Sorry - you already answered fit question!

I've never fitted any Mistral, but I assume it is 25/30 mm thick Solid Surface material as opposed to 6mm thick with chipboard or mdf sub base?

I have fabricated and fitted a fair bit of Encore and although a lot of the technique and process are the same, there are a few subtle differences.

Corian comes in sheets that are 12mm thick and then it has to be built up to the thickness required. Far more work than either Mistral or Encore.
You also have to have done a Certified Course to be able to buy & fabricate it.

I am sure we all have our own personal experiences and opinions as to which Solid Surface material we think is best, but from the ones I've worked on I think they are all much the same when it comes to durability. I think the general consensus of opinion is, try and avoid the really dark colours such as Black, as they do tend to show more marks etc, than the lighter colours.

Corian (and a lot of the other 12mm solid surface sheet materials) do offer a better scope for doing more unusual designs and shapes that perhaps would be a struggle with "Off the Shelf" sizes, such as Mistral and Encore.

One major advantage that Corian has above its competitors, is the fact that Corian(Dupont) invented the stuff originally and far more importantly now, most potential Clints who are seriously contemplating having a Solid Surface worktop, will have heard of or at least be aware of Corian. It is practically a "household" name nowadays........That is, unless anyone out there thinks I'm wrong....????!!!!

As for the price of the kitchen, I'd rather not say on a public part of the forum, I'm sure you can appreciate that !!!!